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Poster: Executive Date: Apr 17, 2008 10:02pm
Forum: classic_tv Subject: Reply

Station management? This is a website for TV, not a TV station.

There is nothing wrong with going elsewhere to seek out torrents of TV shows. But I like this site because downloading shows (even if they are limited to public domain) is frequently much faster than downloading a torrent file. I'd like to see the scope of Internet Archive expanded so that we can upload whatever we want, whether it's PD or not. There are too many wonderful shows here that are being overlooked. If the torrent sites have successfully allowed it for years (and no TV copyright holders went after them), then the same should be allowed here in "Cinepack" format. :)

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Poster: HaarFager872 Date: Apr 17, 2008 10:15pm
Forum: classic_tv Subject: Station Management

Apparently you don't have a sense of humor to recognize my joke about "station management." Some people don't have a sense of humor, but, so be it. Anybody that's ever watched tv has probably heard that phrase at the end of lots of television shows. Since this is tv forum, that's why I used it. Plus, I don't speak for Internet Archive and I didn't want anybody to think I was implying that I did.

Since you're the resident expert about torrents around here, apparently, I'll ask you. Do you know of any torrent sites that have been shut down because of illegal activity? I have heard of some, so there must be something not legal going on with them. How could they be shut down if they're not doing anything wrong? On the other hand, Internet Archive doesn't share anything illegal, (not knowingly) and conversely, I've never heard of anybody whatsoever trying to shut them down. Can you explain why that is?

I'll listen to your reply, but then that's where I end it. I'm not going around in circles with you. I've read several forum topics where people who DO work for Internet Archive have said it's not appropriate to talk about torrents on here, but yet you keep doing it. If you have any problems using the site in the proper manner it was set up to be used, perhaps you need to go somewhere else. It's not your site, nor mine, to change. We all have to go by the rules.

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Poster: Executive Date: Apr 18, 2008 2:43am
Forum: classic_tv Subject: Re: Station Management

===> Apparently you don't have a sense of humor to recognize my joke about "station management." Some people don't have a sense of humor, but, so be it.


**** Actually, I do have a sense of humor. It's just that I couldn't put a laughing smiley next to my previous opening statement to you, because this type of forum software doesn't allow it. " :D " to indicate a big grin doesn't have much impact.

===>Since you're the resident expert about torrents around here, apparently, I'll ask you. Do you know of any torrent sites that have been shut down because of illegal activity? I have heard of some, so there must be something not legal going on with them. How could they be shut down if they're not doing anything wrong?

**** I use several that haven't been shut down for that reason. Demonoid was suspected of that, but the reality is that the owner decided to keep it offline for several months. Apparently it was because he didn't have time to manage it, so he has someone he knows running it now. Demonoid just re-opened this month, and it's business as usual.

===> On the other hand, Internet Archive doesn't share anything illegal, (not knowingly) and conversely, I've never heard of anybody whatsoever trying to shut them down. Can you explain why that is?


**** By saying that you are implying that torrent sites are, but that hasn't been established. This isn't a question of legality, but content.
Internet Archive restricts certain types of content that are objectionable, while many of the torrent sites don't. There are exceptions though. For example, the private site The Box only allows British programming of all genres.

====> I'll listen to your reply, but then that's where I end it. I'm not going around in circles with you. I've read several forum topics where people who DO work for Internet Archive have said it's not appropriate to talk about torrents on here, but yet you keep doing it. If you have any problems using the site in the proper manner it was set up to be used, perhaps you need to go somewhere else. It's not your site, nor mine, to change. We all have to go by the rules.


I haven't discussed torrents as much as you say until now, because you have made this an issue. ONE TIME I posted a link to a torrent site, and Diana (the only moderator who complained) deleted it. It wasn't made clear that it was against their rules until she replied and that was very recently. I wasn't going to do it again, so you shouldn't worry about it.

If you don't want to go in circles, then stop replying to me. People here are intelligent enough to know there is nothing wrong with torrent files, and if they are interested in downloading a TV show that way then they can find the links via a Google search.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffLum Edwards Date: Apr 18, 2008 6:02am
Forum: classic_tv Subject: Re: Station Management

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitTorrent_tracker
http://isohunt.com/dmca-copyright.php
http://netforbeginners.about.com/od/peersharing/a/torrent_search.htm
http://www.news.com/Feds-shut-down-BitTorrent-hub/2100-1028_3-5720541.html
http://copyrightorwrong.blogspot.com/2007/11/not-all-torrents-are-created-equally.html
http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2006/03/copyright-v-indexing-part-1-torrentspy
http://digg.com/tech_news/MPAA_Caught_Uploading_Fake_Torrents
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2007/apr/12/piracy.newmedia
http://torrentfreak.com/torrentz-shuts-down-torrentem-080128/all-comments/
http://torrentfreak.com/anti-piracy-urges-sweden-071120/

Need more? I can supply 1000s more links. Show me one that says copyrighted torrent files are legal to download, please. I will give you a few to browse the links above.









Still think they are legal?
You need to read up before you claim all torrents are legal or they would be shut down. Torrents are harded to kill because there is no central place files are housed. I too wonder why you keep wanting to bring up the subject.

LUM




This post was modified by Diana Hamilton on 2008-04-18 13:02:35

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffDiana Hamilton Date: Apr 18, 2008 6:03am
Forum: classic_tv Subject: Re: Torrent of info

Great reading list, thanks! Lest some readers take the mistaken impression that the bittorrent protocol itself is a bad idea, BTW here are two example sites that use the great idea for perfectly fine purposes (mostly audio, not classic TV):

http://www.legaltorrents.com/
http://bt.etree.org/

(PS I fixed a url typo in the parent post.)

This post was modified by Diana Hamilton on 2008-04-18 13:03:02

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Poster: Executive Date: Apr 18, 2008 6:06am
Forum: classic_tv Subject: Re: Torrent of info

I could get you a feature-length documentary about The Pirate Bay, in which the owners of their torrent site successfully defended themselves and what they offer from an investigation. TPB remains one of the biggest and best online a year later. They even explain why what they offer is LEGAL. The only money those sites make are from their advertising, but the TV shows, movies, music, software, etc. are all free.

It's like I lend a DVD from my collection to a friend to borrow or even to trade. It doesn't make any difference the material is copyrighted, because I'm not selling it or airing it on television. Torrent sites are the same as those two friends, only it's the Internet and it's tens of thousands of people SHARING. :)

Would it be OK if I provided a link to that film, Diana? It may have to be downloaded in torrent file form though.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffLum Edwards Date: Apr 18, 2008 5:20pm
Forum: classic_tv Subject: Re: Torrent of info

>>>It's like I lend a DVD from my collection to a friend to borrow or even to trade. It doesn't make any difference the material is copyrighted, because I'm not selling it or airing it on television. Torrent sites are the same as those two friends, only it's the Internet and it's tens of thousands of people SHARING. :)

You cant really believe that can you.
You are not "Lending your DVD" you are make a copy, or tens of thousands of copys. Legal?
I am no fan of the current copyright laws and they should be changed. Let the content producer have a period of time to recoup the investment and make a profit to make more content. It should be like when drug companies make a new wonder drug, they get a set amount of time to sell it then others can make the generic version.

LUM

This post was modified by Lum Edwards on 2008-04-19 00:20:14

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Poster: Executive Date: Apr 18, 2008 8:02pm
Forum: classic_tv Subject: Re: Torrents

Well, Lum. It's like this: Torrent websites have not been determined to be illegal or else none of them would exist. The fact of the matter is that the music industry is suffering, but not just because so many of us download our favorite songs. Is it a factor? Sure, but the only regulation that I've seen is by the more popular ones (such as Napstar, which I believe charges $1 per download). Napstar was a music site that was targeted by the government, yet the bottom line is that they weren't selling as much advertising on their site as a MiniNova or Pirate's Bay, and that's the real reason behind the restructure.

Yet there will always be people who buy CDs and DVDs. I still buy DVDs to add to my already large collection, but there are those TV shows and movies that I can't find in the video stores....so I download them instead. If I download a 50 year old episode of CHEYENNE, do you really believe that hurts the Warner Bros. studios when the show has already sold so well (first season released so far) on DVD? My point is that there will always be someone to buy these shows, but not everyone can do that for whatever reasons. There are multiple avenues to find what we're looking for, and this is really more a gray area....but NOT an illegal one.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffDiana Hamilton Date: Apr 18, 2008 10:32am
Forum: classic_tv Subject: Re: Torrent of info

This?
http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=%22steal+this+film%22

Brewster even uploaded one of the items on that list.

This post was modified by Diana Hamilton on 2008-04-18 17:32:46

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffLum Edwards Date: Apr 18, 2008 6:08am
Forum: classic_tv Subject: Re: Torrent of info

Sorry, I should have posted a postive example,

http://www.publicdomaintorrents.com/index.html

There is one for PD TV but I cant find the addy.

Its much easier to download legal content here rather than depend on the whims of the seeders. Ever have one stuck at 97% for weeks?

Lum

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffDiana Hamilton Date: Apr 18, 2008 10:28am
Forum: classic_tv Subject: Re: Torrent of info

Oh, you'd already linked to that through the blogspot article above so I didn't cite it. :)

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Poster: Robin_1990 Date: Apr 18, 2008 3:06am
Forum: classic_tv Subject: Re: Station Management

QUOTE
here are intelligent enough to know there is nothing wrong with torrent files
END QUOTE

That is the stupidest line I've ever heard, and I watched 2 seasons of "Yu-Gi-Oh!", So I've heard a lot of stupid lines!

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